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Helen Toner on the geopolitics of AI in China and the Middle East | 80,000 Hours

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There’s been very little clarity and very little agreement on what the goal of these export controls is… I think partly it comes from this situation in US policy over the last few years, where one of the few things people could agree on was essentially ‘China bad.’ So if your policy was like, ‘China bad, and therefore we’ll do something that will hurt China,’ then people could get behind that without necessarily needing to have a very clear position on the nuances of the policy goals, and how you would tell if they were succeeding. — Helen Toner With the US racing to develop AGI and superintelligence ahead of China, you might expect the two countries to be negotiating how they’ll deploy AI, including in the military, without coming to blows. But according to Helen Toner, director of the Center for Security and Emerging Technology in DC, “the US and Chinese governments are barely talking at all.” In her role as a founder, and now leader, of DC’s top think tank focused on the geopolitica

Helen Toner on the geopolitics of AI in China and the Middle East | 80,000 Hours Search for: On this page: 1 Introduction 1.1 The episode in a nutshell 2 Highlights 3 Articles, books, and other media discussed in the show 4 Transcript 4.1 Cold open [00:00:00] 4.2 Who's Helen Toner? [00:01:03] 4.3 Helen's role on the OpenAI board, and what happened with Sam Altman [00:01:32] 4.4 The Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET) [00:07:45] 4.5 CSET's role in export controls against China [00:10:59] 4.6 Does it matter if the world uses US AI models? [00:21:58] 4.7 Is China actually racing to

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