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David Senra: Building Defense Technologies to Protect Democracies | Torsten Reil, Helsing

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Torsten Reil has spent his career working at the intersection of artificial intelligence, simulation and entrepreneurship. He began as a biologist studying neural networks and complex systems before founding NaturalMotion, whose technology was used in films including Lord of the Rings, Troy and Harry Potter and later in games including Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead Redemption. After building and selling NaturalMotion, he eventually returned to entrepreneurship to co-found Helsing, a European defense technology company focused on artificial intelligence and autonomous systems. Reil believes warfare is undergoing a fundamental shift from humans operating expensive weapons systems toward what he calls autonomous mass: large numbers of AI-controlled machines operating together. He explains why drones are making tanks, artillery and eventually crewed fighter jets increasingly vulnerable; how AI can navigate without GPS in jammed environments; and why Helsing developed Centaur, an AI fighter pilot that has controlled a real Saab Gripen in air combat against a human-operated aircraft. That work led Helsing to begin building its own autonomous fighter jet, the CA1 Europa. The underlying

[David Senra] Let's start with what we were just talking about before we started recording, [David Senra] what your opinion is of the future of tanks and battleships. [Torsten Reil] I think there's a big change happening, and you can already see it in Ukraine, obviously, where tanks are barely being used anymore. The same is true for artillery systems. If you get yourself into a tank, your survival rate is very short. Apparently, the [Torsten Reil] time that a Russian soldier survives now at the front is about 20 to 30 minutes. You can argue about whether that's correct, but it's probably…

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