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Don't Eat Honey — LessWrong

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My guess is this is obvious, but IMO it seems extremely unlikely to me that bee-experience is remotely as important to care about as cow experience. Enough as to make statements like this just sound approximately insane: 97% of years of animal life brought about by industrial farming have been through the honey industry (though this doesn’t take into account other insect farming). Like, no, this isn't how this works. This obviously isn't how this works. You can't add up experience hours like this. At the very least use some kind of neuron basis. The median estimate, from the most detailed report ever done on the intensity of pleasure and pain in animals, was that bees suffer 7% as intensely as humans. The mean estimate was around 15% as intensely as people. Bees were guessed to be more intensely conscious than salmon! If anyone remotely thinks a bee suffering is 15% (!!!!!!!!) as important as a human suffering, you do not sound like someone who has thought about this reasonably at all.

x Don't Eat Honey — LessWrong Animal Ethics Ethics & Morality Veganism World Optimization Frontpage -16 Don't Eat Honey by Bentham's Bulldog 30th Jun 2025 7 min read 71 -16 Crosspost from my blog . (I think this is a pretty important article so I’d appreciate you sharing and restacking it—thanks!) There are lots of people who say of themselves “I’m vegan except for honey.” This is a bit like someone saying “I’m a law-abiding citizen, never violating the law, except sometimes I’ll bring a young boy to the woods and slay him .” These people abstain from all the animal products except honey, even

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