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Hey, alkjash! I'm excited to talk about some of David Chapman's work with you. Full disclosure, I'm a big fan of Chapman's in general and also a creator within the meta/post-rationality scene with him (to use some jargon to be introduced very shortly). You mentioned being superficially convinced of a post he wrote a while ago about how subcultures collapse called "Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution". In it he makes a few key claims that, together, give a model of how subcultures grow and decline: There's also a 6th claim that we can skip for now, which is about what Chapman calls the fluid mode and the complete stance, as talking about it would require importing a lot of concepts from his hypertext book Meaningness. To get us started, I'd be interested to know what you find convincing about his claims, and what, if anything, makes you think other models may better explain how subcultures evolve. In my head I'm running this model against these examples: academic subfiel

x On "Geeks, MOPs, and Sociopaths" — LessWrong Community World Modeling Frontpage 31 On "Geeks, MOPs, and Sociopaths" by alkjash , Gordon Seidoh Worley 19th Jan 2024 10 min read 35 31 Gordon Seidoh Worley Hey, alkjash! I'm excited to talk about some of David Chapman's work with you. Full disclosure, I'm a big fan of Chapman's in general and also a creator within the meta/post-rationality scene with him (to use some jargon to be introduced very shortly). You mentioned being superficially convinced of a post he wrote a while ago about how subcultures collapse called " Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths

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