An exclusive conversation with Yang Zhilin one year later: "Standing at the beginning of infinity"

Yang Zhilin arrived a little late, wearing a wrinkled black T- shirt and taking a few quick bites of a McDonald's burger. It was late July 2025 , shortly after the Kimi K2 model was released. A year and a half has passed since our last interview. In January 2024 , I first met Yang Zhilin in a dimly lit conference room, punctuated by the hum of air conditioning. In March of that year , I published "Dark Side of the Moon: Yang Zhilin Reflects on His Year as a Big Model Entrepreneur: Heading Forward into the Unknown Snowy Mountains ." At the time, he was 32 years old, and his year-old Big Model company was attracting attention. As a founder whose academic background is highly consistent with the large language model, he quickly gained fame and controversy. For the next year, he barely participated in interviews or events, as if shutting himself off. By early 2025 , DeepSeek had reached peak global fame. Internally, employees barely noticed his mood swings; they only noticed that he had ad

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